Wolfs Shipyard Forum

The new forum for Wolf's Shipyard
It is currently Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:41 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 58 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:44 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:00 am
Posts: 1934
Lbraden I correctly credited Rolls Royce for its awesome engine the Merlin...I live down the street from a P-51 owner and believe me I know its British designed I have been to Duxford, the IWM, Wright Patterson and the Confederate Air Force Museums all my life, I love British military history (so dont feel slighted) but the whole war wasnt won by either the US or UK it was won by the Russians more than either of us...the P-38, P-51, and P-47, were brilliant so was the Hurricane, the mosquito, the spitfire, the Typhoon, the Corsair, the Hellcat, the B-17, Lancaster, B-24, were too...and the ME-109, FW-190, Me-262, Stuka Ju-87 were also brilliant planes...chances are if you know ww2 aircraft you know which ones were good...or important...if you dont your missing out... :blackeye

Dryrat was correct P-38 had twin supercharged Allison engines a first of its kind and the P-47 Jug had a Cyclone (an excellant engine) and the LAST version of the P-47, the P-47N was the fastest but it barely entered service, except for that model, the Mustangs and Spitfires were faster, its in toughness that the P-47 really excelled...speed isnt everything

Peter Jackson really loves (good) war movies, he may be re-doing it, also heard they are going to do a SGT. Rock but that may be crap too....wish they would remake Gunga Din...

I think a Viper can take any of those planes!LOL :thumbsup on the other hand with the large number of planes designed during ww2, I see a huge variety of space-fighter possibilities being available in the fleets...

Whadda ya hear? :thumbsup


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:48 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:00 am
Posts: 1736
Location: Somewhere within the British Isles
Image Image

The album only has BSG ones in it, if anyone wants to view them

_________________
http://braden1986.deviantart.com/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:09 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:00 am
Posts: 847
Location: Wolf's Shipyard construction site
:damnfunny Nice job with finding that Crossover campaigns one!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:39 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:00 am
Posts: 2167
Location: A giant Spoot Anvil.
Yep, he's b0rxerd.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:45 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2007 1:00 am
Posts: 1736
Location: Somewhere within the British Isles
what?

_________________
http://braden1986.deviantart.com/


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:20 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:00 am
Posts: 1934
the P-40 Vs the Sparrow, those toasters dont stand a chance...

nice... :thumbsup


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:30 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:00 am
Posts: 1822
I believe the Vought Corsair might well have earned the fasted piston engined plane of WW2 award, it's another of those, slap the biggest engine you can in a single seat fighter.

Why do you think it's got such an unusual wing design! so the engine could be fitted with a propeller big enough to utilise all the bloody engine power!

It was the plane used to intercept kamikaze attacks as it alone had a chance of catching the damn things, of course it was a nightmare to bring aboard a carrier.

Although we Brits were flying em onto our smaller carrier decks from really early in the war, we had to be needed em out there!

Btw that is how the modern day carrier landing pattern was invented, the Corsair and a few others had such long noses straight in approaches to the deck were impossible, good old British ingenuity at work, that and LSOs, the automated landing mirror/lights dohicky, the steam catapult, arrestor hooks and wires, British inventions, your welcome! :D

PS last paragraph is to be read with sense of humour engaged.

_________________
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bn38ajvren0g ... lZfSa?dl=0 - Star Trek Dropbox
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/g7rv2v2jw6j1 ... 6HCya?dl=0 - Star Wars Dropbox
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lk77lxsp9vuh ... VKapa?dl=0 - BSG Dropbox
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8ewiak4qui6r ... tt2Ua?dl=0 - ISS Dropbox


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:52 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:00 am
Posts: 1934
F4U Corsair ....was a little slower than a P-47N, it was used to intercept Kamikaze attacks and was faster than the F6F Hellcat the standard USN fighter...it was the fastest Carrier-borne fighter of the war...


it was an exceptionally cool aircraft

on average the Royal Navy had to saw about 2 feet off the ends of the corsirs wings, British Carriers had lower overhead ceiling heights in their hangar decks than US Carriers, still the Brits were flying Corsairs off carriers while the Americans were still basing them exclusively on land


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:00 am
Posts: 1744
Hey, I'm all for debate chief, and on that note, here's my latest salvo on the current subject (no, not the WW2 Warbirbs one, I honestly don't known that much about things before the jet age)

F/A-18 + AMRAAM-C/D for fleet outer envelope air defense (assuming congress doesn't shot it down as unnecessary)

F/A-16G Growler for EW work, possibly a variant in the works for extended digital AWACS work too

And I have to respectfully disagree about the Tomcat being a superior ACM fighter to the AAM equipped Hornet. The hornet has better agility, and in a dogfight that matters a great deal. It won't outrun an F-14, it won't out range an F-14, and it may or may not out climb or dive an F-14 (depends on who you ask there, can't seem to get really good figures on that one), but it possesses similar knife fighter capabilities to an F-16/Mig-29. An F-14 armed for AAM carried 2 AIM-9, 2 AIM-7, and possibly 4 AIM 54, while a modern Hornet-E/F can carry 12 AMRAAM missiles (four per wing, two conformal, and recent upgrades allow two wingtip rails to be fitted with C/D missiles), a weapon with similar range and superior kill capability to AIM-54's (which says a whole lot about a missile that is 35+ years old really.)

And honestly, with the Soviets out of the running, and the Chinese lacking sufficient reach, the need for 30-35 fighters with 6 long range anti air missiles per carrier is significantly reduced anyhow. What we need is more E/F model Hornets, not stealth fighters launched off of carriers, though the Navy WILL keep pushing that one, you can bet money on that one.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:40 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:00 am
Posts: 2613
Location: Battlestar Constellation (BSG-164)
Don't you mean EA-18G, rather than EF/A-16?

_________________
"For a brick, he flew pretty good." - Sgt. Maj. Avery J. Johnson

RIP, CanisD.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:28 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:00 am
Posts: 1822
I don't think the AMRAAM has similar range capability to the AIM-54.
Phoenix had an operation range of 115miles, The AIM-120c's range is 65miles, couldn't see anything for the D model.

The Tomcat could haul 6 of those bad boys.

Tomcat apparently has 10 hardpoints but perhaps some or obscured when others are loaded up, there's supposed to be 6 under the belly, 2 under the engines and another 2 inboard of the wings moving sections.

_________________
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bn38ajvren0g ... lZfSa?dl=0 - Star Trek Dropbox
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/g7rv2v2jw6j1 ... 6HCya?dl=0 - Star Wars Dropbox
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lk77lxsp9vuh ... VKapa?dl=0 - BSG Dropbox
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8ewiak4qui6r ... tt2Ua?dl=0 - ISS Dropbox


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:00 am
Posts: 1744
Yes, I did in fact mean EA-18G, and didn't notice till you pointed it out, my bad there...though it occurs to me an F-16C/D Block 60 rigged up as an AEW platform would look cool as sh*t! Not very practical though, sigh...

The AMRAAM 120C-7 extended range variant has longer range than the C-6 improved target detection model...which isn't publicly known I'm afraid. but the AMRAAM-D has 50% more range than the C-7. The only listed range facts a quick check could find was that the C-5 has a range of 65 miles, so by extrapolation, the D has a minimum of 97.5+miles range. I can't actually speculate on the final number, but I can feel fairly comfortable with the idea that a D model will have superior range to a AIM-54's 100 mile envelope, no?

The tomcats best war load was either 6xAIM-54 and 2xSidewinder, or 4xAIM-54, 2xSidewinder, and 2xSparrow, several of its hard points were not meant to carry weapons loads, but fuel instead, such as the two hard points under the intakes for FLIR pods, fuel tanks, and something called ATARS that was a long range sensor of some sort, not real sure on that last one there.

Though I am digressing, mainly, I do see a need for an EW Viper, the Raptor isn't survivable enough in a fight with current Sparrow based forces. I also see a need for a Raptor Tanker variant, for the previously stated reasons by others. And I really do see a need for a strike package for a Viper, but I feel the Strike Viper is too big a variant for the design ethos RDM has based his approach on. On the other hand, I don't feel beholden to that ethos enough not to have the presence of dedicated strike fighters in my stories as a plot point at the minimum. I deal in RPG approaches, not wargaming ones like Myrmidon does, so actual full statistical designs are not, by necesity, required. I can simply say "The Strike Viper's aren't quite up to defending them sevles on appraoch, so teh player characters and their standard Vipers will provide escort in, while EW Vipers will provide close range EW support, Raptors will provide stand off jamming and SEAD support, and Raptor Tankers will be on hand to top off both before and after the strike." There it all works, and its not like a fully stocked Battlestar can't carry all of these, the damn things are suffering from Massivitis Hugification Syndrome (told you that wold would come back!)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:00 am
Posts: 4
Location: In orbit, annoying Kiyone
The fighters are allright in my opinion, but the Hornet (the drawing, not the F-18) is the one that nBSG really needs.

I'm not going to get into the whole F14 vs. F18 thing except to say that they should have gone with the Super Tomcat. In a perfect world. That is to say, a world perfect for the Super Tomcat, where there was still money to burn on defense. IOW, a world where the cold war never ended. Somehow that thought does not fill me with rosy feelings, so I'll just be glad that we DIDN'T get the Super Tomcat...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:00 am
Posts: 2613
Location: Battlestar Constellation (BSG-164)
myrmidon wrote:
Lbraden I correctly credited Rolls Royce for its awesome engine the Merlin...I live down the street from a P-51 owner and believe me I know its British designed I have been to Duxford, the IWM, Wright Patterson and the Confederate Air Force Museums all my life, I love British military history (so dont feel slighted) but the whole war wasnt won by either the US or UK it was won by the Russians more than either of us...the P-38, P-51, and P-47, were brilliant so was the Hurricane, the mosquito, the spitfire, the Typhoon, the Corsair, the Hellcat, the B-17, Lancaster, B-24, were too...and the ME-109, FW-190, Me-262, Stuka Ju-87 were also brilliant planes...chances are if you know ww2 aircraft you know which ones were good...or important...if you dont your missing out... :blackeye

Dryrat was correct P-38 had twin supercharged Allison engines a first of its kind and the P-47 Jug had a Cyclone (an excellant engine) and the LAST version of the P-47, the P-47N was the fastest but it barely entered service, except for that model, the Mustangs and Spitfires were faster, its in toughness that the P-47 really excelled...speed isnt everything

Peter Jackson really loves (good) war movies, he may be re-doing it, also heard they are going to do a SGT. Rock but that may be crap too....wish they would remake Gunga Din...

I think a Viper can take any of those planes!LOL :thumbsup on the other hand with the large number of planes designed during ww2, I see a huge variety of space-fighter possibilities being available in the fleets...

Whadda ya hear? :thumbsup
The P-51's Merlin was built under license by Packard as the V-1650.

_________________
"For a brick, he flew pretty good." - Sgt. Maj. Avery J. Johnson

RIP, CanisD.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:01 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:00 am
Posts: 1934
AMRAAM extended range variants are not operational yet,as far as I know as of this morning and its effective range for the model that is in service varies by launch altitude but is between 40-50 miles its more advanced but lacks range and warhead compared to a Phoenix

F-14 can carry 6 Phoenix but cant land carrying 6, also it can carry AMRAAMs in lieu of either the lousy sparrow aim-7 or the excellant sidewinder aim-9x the F-14 is a better Fleet-Interceptor, it is not a better multi-role fighter...

agreed but only reluctantly that the F/A-18 can dogfight better but in a showdown versus Backfires, Badgers, Fencers and or Bears there wont be any dogfighting...the Soviets (or anyone else) didnt/dont have any fighters with near the range to accompany a strike package as escorts for the naval aviation bomber force tasked with deliverying cruise misssiles versus CBG or SAG...unless those CBG/SAG are operating awfully close to Kola or Validivostok etc....mostly irrelevant at this point...

Irrelevant we are stuck with the f-18, slower, shorter range, less effective shorter range Radar, but cheaper (economy is its own force multiplier), easier to maintain, newer and more upgradeable...so its not all bad...

as for an EW Viper variant the Viper-ASP Recon Fighter covers most of that function...

a seperate bomber/EW craft than the Raptor, there are a bunch I prefer the Vulture from BSG Fleet Commander PC game/mod, but I call it a Python/Cobra ....nice ship whoever built it....

Whadda ya hear? :thumbsup

New version of AMRAAMS in/DEV good about time. thanks gryphon...gotta make a phone call... :thumbsup


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 58 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group