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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:37 pm 
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Thanks Kurt.

I've always sort of envisioned the Capricans as a reluctant military force while the Gemenese seemed almost against having a military; this is the opposite of the more imperialistic and constantly fighting Virgos and Leos.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:27 pm 
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TurboCoupeTurbo wrote:
Thanks Kurt.

I've always sort of envisioned the Capricans as a reluctant military force while the Gemenese seemed almost against having a military; this is the opposite of the more imperialistic and constantly fighting Virgos and Leos.


I never saw the Capricans in that light...I saw them more as opportunistic predators that tried to claim the moral high ground. I guess Caprica really changed my view of them being the eternal "good guys".

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:28 am 
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I can understand that. And I certainly agree that they are opportunistic.

My view though is that in the show Caprica, the Capricans didn't really take the aggressive military action that they could have against the STO. The action they did take seemed very restrained, at least on the strategic level. I just tried to extrapolate that backwards 300 years.

Though, it has been a while since I've seen Caprica; maybe I need to rewatch it.

In other news, I am currently working on some more early Caprican and Virgonese ship designs. Anticipate!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:57 pm 
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Looking forward to it!

I think in Caprica that the STO was a convenient boogeyman for the government to point at and say, "this is why we need to do this..." and so as long as they existed, the establishment had a fulcrum to make policy go their way.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:53 am 
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The Wasp class was built after the Second Leonis-Virgon War in 1648 to replenish the Virgonese Royal Navy's patrol cruiser fleet. The class was designed for long duration patrols along Virgon's many shipping routes throughout the Helios Beta system and was equipped with two counter rotating 20 meter wide by 220-meter diameter spin sections in the middle of its spherical main hull to simulate gravity. Additionally, the Wasp class was equipped with a quartet of Napier Lion II-C engines which gave an acceleration of 0.1 g while also providing a measure of redundancy in case of an engine failure. The engines were mounted on long pylons to enhance maneuverability and reduce the amount of radiation shielding necessary for the crew.

The Wasp class mounted 32 Spitfire-II missile batteries for stand-off combat and 10 40-mm railguns for close-in protection. Each Spitfire-II battery was a self-contained weapon mount hidden under an armoured hatch that contained 8 large ship-to-ship missiles ringed around the outside of 9 smaller interceptor missiles. The Wasp class was lightly armoured compared to most Royal Navy ships of the era in order to increase acceleration and reduce fuel consumption.

Crew quarters and non-vital spaces were located in the spin sections, while vital spaces such as the Combat Center and Engineering Control were located in zero-g areas. It was standard procedure to power down the spin sections during combat to prevent damage. A zero-g deck separated the two spin sections and included an airlock on opposite ends of the ship for docking to stations or other vessels.

The Wasp class has 4 bays for storing small craft or other cargo. Each bay usually accommodates either 2 pure space transports for boarding actions or a single trans-atmospheric transport for planetary landings.

In 1674, four Wasp class cruisers were forward deployed to the Helios Alpha system and the newly established base on the moon of Nike. They were escorted by HMS Unity which provided navigation and engineering support, including refueling and repairing the ships and allowing the crews 'shore' leave onboard the larger vessel. This would mark the beginning of a continuous Royal Navy presence in the Helios Alpha system that would last for almost 180 years. The ships' were primarily used for base defense and to map Zeus's moons, until they were reassigned to Tauron after the Virgon-Tauron treaty was signed in 1677.

Hope you all like it. Questions, comments, and concerns welcome!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:42 pm 
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I like it a lot. Have you had a chance to look at the ships that were developed for Traveller: 2300/2300AD?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:59 pm 
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Thanks Kurt!

I have got a few Traveler ships (not sure if they are all 2300 or not though) queued up, though it isn't always easy to find decent 3-views of them.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:17 pm 
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The 2300 ships have nothing to do with Traveller (even though the game once shared the name). 2300AD/Traveller: 2300 is set in the same world as Twilight: 2000 was and takes place 300 years later. It has a very hard science approach with one of the few handwaves being the stutterwarp (essentially a realspace FTL drive that by the letter doesn't appear to violate any laws). There is no gravity control or super tech; everything is extrapolated from what we have to day and what we (today) believe is theoretically possible. There were aliens in the game, but I will give the designers credit, they were perhaps the best part of the game simply because they were so alien; no dog people, no cat people, no people with weird constructs on their heads or weird ears, they were truly alien.

If a ship wanted "gravity", it had to use some form of spin system; whether hamster wheels, spin cages, etc.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:16 am 
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I really clever design from an unusual place for a hard science spacecraft is the DropShip/spaceship from the recent BattleTech game.

it has these pods that fold back when the ship is under thrust, therefore aft is down is true but when it reaches orbit and is on the float the pods swing out and start rotating creating out is down gravity, really clever.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/VEnnP

I mean it's a minor element to the game but is a really well thought out design.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:41 am 
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Kurt,

I didn't realize that the two went the same. I have some images of ships that were claimed to be from 2300, but I don't have the actual reference book to know if they are actually 2300 ships or fan-made. It'll be a while till I get to them though, since they are in a slightly later era than the ships I'm doing now.

50Stone,

That is a really nice ship you found! It might have to get worked in at some point. Thanks


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TurboCoupeTurbo - the ship is called the Argo and it's from the turn-based sim game BattleTech released in 2017-18 sometime.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:53 am 
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P-class frigates were heavy escort vessels built for the Virgon Royal Navy during the Second Leonis-Virgon War. First ordered in 1645, they acted primarily as convoy and fleet escorts, freeing more capable and expensive Royal Navy cruisers for scouting and patrol work.

The P-class frigate was 478 meters long and had an ellipsoid hull 142 meters in diameter. Like other Royal Navy frigates, the P-class was not equipped with simulated gravity from a spin deck. Instead, their crews lived and worked in zero-gravity conditions, requiring frequent port calls at space stations or large tenders to avoid crew atrophy. Additionally, due to the heavy weapons load-out on such a small craft, conditions onboard were very cramped even by Royal Navy standards making the high frequency of port calls was a welcome relief to their crews.

The P-class was equipped with a single Rhino I main engine for long range cruising, and four Supermini II auxiliary engines for high speed dashes. At dash speeds, the P-class was one of the fastest warships in the system and able to reach nearly 0.16 g of acceleration for up to 6 hours before overheating the Supermini IIs.

The main weapons of the P-class were 8 reloadable Striker missile tubes located behind sliding panels on the bow. The Striker missile was the mainstay Royal Navy ship-to-ship missile since before the War, and was still an excellent match for Leonian counter-measures. The P-class carried 8 reloads for each tube. Additionally, the P-class frigates were equipped with a pair of 39 cm rail guns with 300 rounds of ammunition at launch, though the weapons were removed from most ships after the war due to unsatisfactory performance. For defense, a pair of White Knight missile batteries were carried, each containing 60 interceptor missiles that could protect the ship and any friendly vessels near-by. Four single barrel mounts for 40 mm rail guns provide close in protection.

The P-class did not carry any onboard small craft, instead relying on stations or other vessels to provide shuttle services.

After the Virgon-Tauron Treaty of 1677 was signed, the Royal Navy began deploying several frigates and other vessels to Helios Alpha as part of the military build-up, in order to provide escorts for the large interstellar transports. By this time, the P-class frigates were nearing the end of their operational lives, but could still provide useful service in the Alpha system without depleting the Royal Navy's strength in the home system. Six frigate squadrons comprised of P-class ships (a total of 24 ships) were moved to the system onboard the HMS Titan in large cradles attached to the ship's spines. Eventually, Virgon would transfer all P-class frigates in the system to the nascent Royal Tauron Navy, which would operate as a reserve force for the Royal Navy.

Hope you all like it! Questions, comments, and concerns welcome!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:30 am 
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I like the design and love the backstory. My one quibble is that it doesn’t carry any small craft. This limits what it can do and effectively signs the crew’s death warrant if something happens.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:54 am 
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Yes, Kurt, that certainly is a major drawback of the design ;)

Its a wartime design that was intended to always operate alongside other, usually larger, vessels which would have their own small craft. So, the designers took this opportunity to pack more weapons onto the ship instead of making it an all around platform the could operate independently.

Though I should mention that there are still lifepods onboard this and all Royal Navy vessels under breakaway armour panels (since I didn't feel like drawing rows of small squares). The Royal Navy doesn't require any person to do down with the ship.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:13 pm 
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Ok...comment retracted since there are lifepods. I was thinking that they were pretty much screwed if something happened to the ship.

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