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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 4:08 pm 
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Nice. It looks like they've been flipped with the key being reversed.

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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 4:48 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2020 11:14 pm 
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The key on the lower right corner is mirror flipped

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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 3:16 am 
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Oh yes I see it now, how bizarre. To be honest I was having a real battle with my laptop yesterday.

Despite me regularly using anti virus and other disc cleaning programs some a-hole tried to hack me yesterday and I can only put it down to that.

My DA drawings are flipped too so I’ll need to change them as well.
I’ll fix it later, thanks Kurt.


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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 8:51 am 
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Ivanho wrote:
Despite me regularly using anti virus and other disc cleaning programs some a-hole tried to hack me yesterday and I can only put it down to that.


Probably forgot about ublock origin being the primary defense against malware these days. Advertisers did it to themselves by allowing this to keep happening.


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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 3:25 pm 
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Hi Danny it’s great to have you back, I hear you but no I have covered everything you can imagine and more, Nobody is more anal than me about anti virus and all protection.
I’ve done the lot and, no I have not been on any nefarious websites if you follow me, that’s not how I roll I’m a family man.
However I have a theory that because of what’s going on with Covid-19 and all the hardship that people are suffering that those out there with nothing better to do with their time and perhaps little income are trying to take advantage of the situation.
So I guess I’m saying we all need to be extra vigilant

Stay safe my friend xx


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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 4:02 pm 
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Anyway back to matters at hand....


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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2020 11:34 pm 
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Ivanho wrote:
Hi Danny it’s great to have you back, I hear you but no I have covered everything you can imagine and more, Nobody is more anal than me about anti virus and all protection.

Thanks. I never really left, just lurking a bunch.

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I’ve done the lot and, no I have not been on any nefarious websites if you follow me, that’s not how I roll I’m a family man.

News sites are where most malware comes from, not the porn sites. LOL

Ivanho wrote:
However I have a theory that because of what’s going on with Covid-19 and all the hardship that people are suffering that those out there with nothing better to do with their time and perhaps little income are trying to take advantage of the situation.
So I guess I’m saying we all need to be extra vigilant


BOY HOWDY YOU ARE RIGHT! I saw a huge spike of spam and other such fuckery on reddit just in the past two months. It's nuts!
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Stay safe my friend xx


Thanks again broski! o7


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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 8:08 am 
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Following on from the successful launch and trials of the two mega Agro ships 'Titan Botanica' and 'Titan 'Geoponica', Galens faith in the new cylinder hull system was growing.

However, the Earth fleet was behind schedule.

There was a need to quicken the pace of the construction process.
With many of his workers previously redirected to the completion of the cave dwellings down on Terra, Galen
was under severe pressure to make up for lost time, however this was when he was at his best.

He was requested to explore the feasibility of producing a giant space observatory to accompany the fleet on the journey to Earth for two reasons;

Firstly to act as a de-facto picket ship to trawl the stars for any potential hostiles.

Secondly to map out the star systems on-route, and in particular search for any planets that may support life.

Many ships were on the drawing board all just as vital as the next, but rather than tackle some of the smaller vessels to get back on schedule, Galen thought it more prudent to utilise the templates and settings on his construction rafts already set for the cylinder hulled ships, and so adopted the design once more to deliver a ship that could rotate a pair of telescopes and a further pair of antennae to scan a full 360 degrees as the ship moved forward.

The ship had the capability to house many thousands of passengers and crew.

As with many vessels in the new fleet, this particular ship was built to accommodate the scientists and experts needed to begin a whole new colony should the need arise, and to accommodate any survivors from any vessels that, heaven forbid, were lost along the way, or more hopefully a number of key personnel from Earth to begin the process of integrating the two colonies.

Ladies and Gents, the Observatory Ship Discovery....

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This was the prototype vessel known as the 'Squircle' cylinder ship due to its square barrel rounded at the corners to accommodate the domes for the agro ships. The barrel design also allowed for a full circular cylinder, a hexagon or any combination thereof....

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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 4:03 pm 
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I was thinking of these ships while working on trying to find a missing $1800 optic that's somewhere in my apartment. The thought that came to mind was that there may be a more efficient and less complex way of managing the agro ships.

Rather than worry about having domes, which while visually appealing, is a big structural weakness, wasteful of energy, and since you'll be traveling in deep space (and not close solar orbit), there will be practically zero usable sunlight. So, instead of looking out, look in. Get rid of the domes and round off the hull; make it a cylinder with the agricultural areas facing core and give it spin gravity. Up would be toward the center of the ship and down would be toward the outer hull. If you keep it in low gravity, you'll be able to grow vines and stalk veggies much higher than normal, and you could have successive smaller "cylinders within a cylinder" to maximize the acreage. Just the outer cylinder alone is ~719 square acres, and if you have several cylinders, you could have five or six nested cylinders (like the Russian dolls) with ~3000 square acres or so.

Just a thought to change things up a bit.

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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
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Yes indeed, if you put different levels in you could grow several different variations of crop in a smaller area and yes the centrifugal force idea is something I’ve thought about a lot.

With regards to your design comments, yes very good concept but as you know I’m also a strong advocate for reuse and recycle, make do and mend etc.

In a perfect world with unlimited time and budget I’d say yea let’s redesign but in the world of BSG (and my saga) resources were still very scarce thanks to the bond breaking Cylons and the domes were readily available.

For now this is the last of this design though, but I may revisit it in the future.


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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
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BSG has artificial gravity so spin gravity isn't needed, and to be honest to get anything usable you need a really large diameter space, then you have to figure out how to connect the moving parts to non-moving ones and then thread corridors and cables from rotating to non-rotating parts it's a massive headache.

Here's a site that works out all the science on spin gravity - http://www.artificial-gravity.com/sw/SpinCalc/SpinCalc.htm


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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
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Yes 50Stone All my ships have always had artificial gravity but I take Kurt’s point about rotation.
Spin gravity was not my suggestion it was Kurt’s, but it still works.

As for connecting moving parts to non moving ones, the whole point is they are NOT connected, they are synchronised in the same way your phone bluetooths to your beat box, via signals. The space between the core and cylinder is occupied by a fluid which is used to cushion between the two.

I do think you guys are over complicating this, but I’m not getting into minutiae on my birthday, too much beer to drink and fun to be had - laters.


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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 3:15 pm 
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50Stone wrote:
BSG has artificial gravity so spin gravity isn't needed, and to be honest to get anything usable you need a really large diameter space, then you have to figure out how to connect the moving parts to non-moving ones and then thread corridors and cables from rotating to non-rotating parts it's a massive headache.

Here's a site that works out all the science on spin gravity - http://www.artificial-gravity.com/sw/SpinCalc/SpinCalc.htm


You can either spin the entire ship or you can use a central core that connects the bow and stern with the cylinder rotating about it. Not a big deal and certainly not a big issue for a spacefaring race. As for spin, for 1G at the outer surface, you'd be spinning about twice a minute, not an issue at all.

The reason I suggested it was pretty well stated in my post; safety, energy savings, and area. Just because you can do something doesn't mean that it's the best way to do it. Having a lower gravity with a humidity control (among other atmospheric tweaks) would allow some amazing harvests, and it would also give something that would probably be just as important; open spaces for mental health. People are going stir crazy having been locked down for two months (and in some places this will be indefinite...) after being lied to that it would only be two or three weeks to flatten the curve, so I can imagine what people would be dealing with on a trip for an unknown length of time. Being able to go "into the fields" would be a helpful bonus.

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 Post subject: Re: The Phoenix Fleet
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Bored so....birthday or not I’m going to bite. Your second point kurt, to rotate the cylinder around the central core with the bow and stern in situ.

I actually agree with ALL Your comments but you guys have maybe forgot about perpetual motion, surely not you kurt (laughs sarcastically) in a Doctor evil voice.

The definition of perpetual motion is.....”the motion of a hypothetical machine which, once activated, would run forever unless subject to an external force or, to wear”

So, in theory space has no barriers or opposing forces, so one could invent a system whereby as in my cylinder vessels, the outer cylinder, once rotated By external thrusters could continue unopposed indefinitely until manually stopped, no?

So 50Stone - your point about connections between moving parts is invalid as there would not need to be any connection other than a remote signal to initiate the thrusters to rotate the cylinder around the central core, there would be no physical connection only a fluid based barrier separating the two parts, hope this makes sense? - NO wires NO connections.


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