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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 12:31 am 
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Agree they must have something, but the spin would not cause g's only the impact plus the engine's firing etc, only acceleration causes a noticable effect, we are all spinning at 1000's of mph right this second (Earth rotation) and we don't feel it.

Also the "Adama Manouver" they would have been feeling massive buffet and decel from friction causing them to be decelerating as the air thickened cause extra weight and little was visibly evident.

The gravity generation system probably counters outside forces.


Adama was purposely free-falling there, to:

1. Minimize the amount of time the Cylon Defenses could lock on to him.

2. Use the shock of the jump wave to disorient Cylon Defenses and give Hotdog's Squadron time to destroy the towers and gate.

The Pilot Episodes already established Galactica can fly in atmospheres and jump in them as Ragnar was nestled in the eye of a storm system on a Gas Giant and they considered jumping within the storm, but the Civilians' FTL computers were unshielded from the EM effects of the storm so Galactica had to exit the storm and hold in the upper atmosphere so the Civilian Ships could jump.

Deadlock further confirms Galactica can fly in atmospheres and land on Planets.


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 1:53 am 
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50Stone wrote:
Agree they must have something, but the spin would not cause g's only the impact plus the engine's firing etc, only acceleration causes a noticable effect, we are all spinning at 1000's of mph right this second (Earth rotation) and we don't feel it.


Spins do cause g forces. You are right that we only notice acceleration, but to maintain a circlular path you have to accelerate towards the center. Since the humans are physically attached to galactica, they would be flung is the opposite direction of the spin.

We don't feel earth's rotation for several reasons, mainly because its diameter is massive which causes the acceleration to be very tiny. Additionally, any acceleration we experience is offset by earth's gravity. And there is also the fact that we evolved here, so we are adapted to not notice the rotation so that our monkey brains do not get disorientated by just standing around.

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Also the "Adama Manouver" they would have been feeling massive buffet and decel from friction causing them to be decelerating as the air thickened cause extra weight and little was visibly evident.

The gravity generation system probably counters outside forces.


The air thickening would not cause any extra weight, just more resistance leading to more friction and buffeting. As galactica got closer to the surface it would get heavier, though that would be due to the distance not the air. The force of gravity increases as the distance between two bodies decreases. However, the increase in the force of gravity during the manuever would probably be negligable.


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 6:52 am 
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What I meant by air thickening is the thicker the atmosphere is the slower terminal velocity becomes due to friction, the space parachute jump was a graphic demonstration of this.

Therefore as terminal velociity slows Galactica would be experiancing deceleration and therefore the crew would too, but I do think the ship's grav generation is compensating for this, same with the spin in the mini-series. Similar to how as you point out, Earth's natural gravity generation (it's huge mass) overpowers the planet's spin forces.


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:59 am 
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Ah. Then yes, you would be right about the deceleration. But I doubt that deceleration would even be noticable (even without the artifical gravity system) simply because galactica is so massive and relatively streamlined that it probably wouldn't slow down much. Especially when compared to the pull of gravity from new caprica.


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If you look at the nose-over-tail maneuvers where the Vipers flip 180 degrees in ~1 second or less, that alone is all you need to know that inertial compensators are present; the G forces from a maneuver like that would kill a person at the velocities they're accelerating at. Even more so when they do it in an atmosphere.

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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 9:56 pm 
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kfeltenberger wrote:
If you look at the nose-over-tail maneuvers where the Vipers flip 180 degrees in ~1 second or less, that alone is all you need to know that inertial compensators are present; the G forces from a maneuver like that would kill a person at the velocities they're accelerating at. Even more so when they do it in an atmosphere.


Not just kill, but reduce them to red smears. More importantly it makes flying a Viper Mk II very physically demanding as it is all hydraulics. This is why Kara was benched for the Tylium Asteroid fight, she couldn't kick the pedals hard enough when the time came to turn and burn and gives us a benchmark to how much the Inertial Compensators can reduce G forces. She could have easily been that one pilot who didn't turn hard in the assault when the missiles were fired.

Note how all the pilots in the Mk IIs are very physical with the controls while the Mk. VII pilots who have fly-by-wire are much more gentle on the controls.

As an aside, 50stone, your Photobucket Images are broken and I trying to credit you properly as I'm using a few of your Escort Designs in my BT/nuBSG crossover story. I got Barricade properly credited for his Heracles-class Battlecruiser. You got solid designs there and I can't find your Deviantart Account or even if you have one. Trying to get you more exposure here as a friend.


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:32 pm 
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kfeltenberger wrote:
If you look at the nose-over-tail maneuvers where the Vipers flip 180 degrees in ~1 second or less, that alone is all you need to know that inertial compensators are present; the G forces from a maneuver like that would kill a person at the velocities they're accelerating at. Even more so when they do it in an atmosphere.


I'm not so sure those are the best examples of needing inertial compensators though, Kurt. I agree that they probably do exist in universe though.

I'd have to do the numbers, but Vipers may not even need a compensator. They seem to rotate around the cockpit (hard to tell from video, but if I was designing a space fighter, that's where I would want the center of rotation to be). If so, that really means that the extremities of the pilot (specifically the head) are describing an arc with about a 1 meter radius, or roughly the size of a merry-go-round. If there aren't any other forces and the rotation duration is short, I don't think the pilot would suffer any loss of consciousness without a compensator, a standard g-suit would suffice for whats there. It certainly wouldn't turn them into red goo.

Actually, the straight line acceleration of the Viper would probably warrant a compensator more than any of the combat maneuvers we witness (since VFX still had its limits back then).


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 11:56 pm 
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TurboCoupeTurbo wrote:
kfeltenberger wrote:
If you look at the nose-over-tail maneuvers where the Vipers flip 180 degrees in ~1 second or less, that alone is all you need to know that inertial compensators are present; the G forces from a maneuver like that would kill a person at the velocities they're accelerating at. Even more so when they do it in an atmosphere.


I'm not so sure those are the best examples of needing inertial compensators though, Kurt. I agree that they probably do exist in universe though.

I'd have to do the numbers, but Vipers may not even need a compensator. They seem to rotate around the cockpit (hard to tell from video, but if I was designing a space fighter, that's where I would want the center of rotation to be). If so, that really means that the extremities of the pilot (specifically the head) are describing an arc with about a 1 meter radius, or roughly the size of a merry-go-round. If there aren't any other forces and the rotation duration is short, I don't think the pilot would suffer any loss of consciousness without a compensator, a standard g-suit would suffice for whats there. It certainly wouldn't turn them into red goo.


That would make sense, except we see Raptors pull hard turns and rotations with Passengers who aren't wearing g-suites. Flight suites are apparently just that, a flight suite for EVA functions.


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@CommissarGolladay I don't have DeviantArt, photobucket was my host until it started compressing images now everything sits in my Dropbox. Link should be in my signature.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:04 am 
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50Stone wrote:
@CommissarGolladay I don't have DeviantArt, photobucket was my host until it started compressing images now everything sits in my Dropbox. Link should be in my signature.


Ok, I see, had to check your profile as I can't see signatures for some odd reason. Maybe because I ghosted here for years and found stuff to say just recently after spending one too many brain cell destroying moments on SB.com :shock:

Refreshing to come to an area that doesn't devolve into a flame war every 3rd post and have a respectful conversation.


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Yeah, think Signatures disappear after x amount of posts in a convo, cause I don't see em either.

Nope it's back, lol

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This is an interesting video on theoretical space warfare including pros and cons on various real world or new real worlds weapons and other things.

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