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Hood wasn't destroyed due to ammunition handling she took plunging fire to a magazine through a battlecruiser's thin armoured deck, people forget Hood was not a battleship but was facing one, HMS Prince of Wales was a battleship, took the same hits, took damage but lived to fight another day.


I'll find the citation; it was in something I recently read and was supposedly the new theory on what happened to Hood. The thin armor played a part, but IIRC, there were some other issues involved, too.
IIRC, the thin deck plating was supposed to be fixed during a scheduled refit in 1941 to correct a series of other issues, but the outbreak of WW2 forced the ship into service without the upgrades.

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What font did you use for the hull number boss?

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KombatWombat wrote:
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Hood wasn't destroyed due to ammunition handling she took plunging fire to a magazine through a battlecruiser's thin armoured deck, people forget Hood was not a battleship but was facing one, HMS Prince of Wales was a battleship, took the same hits, took damage but lived to fight another day.


I'll find the citation; it was in something I recently read and was supposedly the new theory on what happened to Hood. The thin armor played a part, but IIRC, there were some other issues involved, too.
IIRC, the thin deck plating was supposed to be fixed during a scheduled refit in 1941 to correct a series of other issues, but the outbreak of WW2 forced the ship into service without the upgrades.


Correct, the armor was going to be improved. However, the fire started in one magazine and then spread to another; so while the armor was at fault for allowing the hit the caused the fire, there were other issues involved.

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just to make sure people know this.... when they went to the wreck... they found out that it didnt take blunging fire.... it recieved a hit above the water line faceing downward. meening it didnt recieve a hit to the under amoured decking. the shot went though the side of the ship and out though the other side near the bottom. and then the explosion tore the ship apart and got into the boiler poped them and then though to the other side of the ship and bang..........even with the extra amour it wouldnt of matterd.... she didnt stand a chance. and as for ammunision.... that was changed within the years comeing up to ww2 mainly because they didnt want to believe that it wasnt a problem with the ships but they blamed the manifacutres... this is also the reason the hood was the only ship of its class that was completed.. all other vessles were stopped and scrapped


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also on the first version of the galactica... i prefer her....:)


her head section has her trench aa guns covered with amour might be the reason for the aa guns positiond on the hull plateing in this picture


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reason for the ribbs... buldge... acts like a second hull.. if a torpedo hits a ship it fills a section of the bulge instead of the crewed compartments. depending on the explosions ect...so the ship also looks like it can be reneforced or is designed to be able to be rianforced with differnt types of amour layouts depends on setup remeinds me of fitting amour onto a horse


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A fire in the 4inch magazine will cause an explosion on it's own, which will breach the surrounding sections, including the 15inch magazine.

Has any ship survived a magazine exploding?

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Has any ship survived a magazine exploding?
With the amount of ammunition one of those ships could carry in a single magazine? I seriously doubt it. For example, the Bismarck carried 960 shells for its main 15in battery which is about 120 rounds per turret.

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if we got rid of the guns that are added to the back end of the ship i think she would of been fine. but because of the look of all the guns on her center rear structure. so that the original layout of her centerline was still left and her head section still had the guns in place that would be fine :) however as iv said its looks... strategically STUPID if one of the guns exploded takeing amunitioin with it you would have a chain reaction and boom..... would be interesting if they mention they had a massive redesign because the ships kept exploding after a missle hit.

hear is a new problem.... can you imagine the problem the helmsmen must have trying to control her as her guns fire because. not only will the guns act as thrusters but the helm wouldnt know wich way they were going unles focusing on what they shouldnt be focusing on :)


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The recoil of the guns could be computed as a simple vector operation that could then be relayed to the helmsman.

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With no computer link between fire control and manoeuvring that's quite a chore.

Remember no computer networks at all.

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Yeah, that was the issue I was coming up with. The possible workarounds would be to give the helmsman analog indicators reliant on a two-channel electromechanical link, or permit either the turret gunners or weapons officer to make corrective thruster burns.

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There's no way a ship could function without a network of some sort. Perhaps in the old days when ships used mechanical computers and called bearings via voice powered phone from fire control to the turrets, but those days are long gone and at the velocities and ranges combat in BSG takes place, it would not work.

I really think the shows producers and writers failed epically when they used the word "network".

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I'm sure they have sophisticated computers and even limited computer networks throughout the ship just that they are isolated from other such networks.

For instance the communications system for talking to other ships, this is the prime infiltration route for hostile hacking and viruses, but isolate it so that all it does is transmit and receive and it just doesn't matter, it can't turn an engine off if it isn't connected to anything else in the ship, and you can just reset the communications server or whatever it is behind the thing and purge viruses etc.

The danger with a total network is that a virus can jump for open networks such as communications to secure networks such as fire control if there is a network link as Colonial firewall technology is apparently inferior to Cylon Hacking and Viruses.

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I look at it this way; Colonial ships have networks that are generally isolated with limited communications via proxy. The CNP, on the other hand, turned all of those networks, the servers actually, into a cloud. Hack the cloud and you've hacked all the servers, where before you had to hack each one individually.

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I think Allen's got the right of it, I just checked the episode again and the needed section to watch is around 8:42 to 9:10 minutes into episode 3&4.

It happens when their first on approach to the Ghost Fleet. We see the Raptor and it's two escorts move into a aft approach then begin talking. Now if you pause it directly at 8:50 into the episode, you'll see four ships of note. First, we have a Berzerk, its position is in the upper left in the paused shot. Second, we have the Valkyrie-type ship, it's just below and to the right of the first berzerk. Third, is a second Berzerk, it's directly smack dab center in the shot. Fourth and lastly, is the Galactica-type, which is positioned far right in the shot.

Now, I don't mean to burst any bubbles here. But... if we follow the Raptor's approach via the video, we see that it passes just to the left of the center Berzerk and when the video cuts to Adama and gang inside the Raptor they then look up which would now correlate to them looking at the Valkyrie-type. Besides... even if for the sake of argument they were looking out and to their right when they mentioned the Valkyrie, any view of the Galactica-type would have been eclipsed by the Berzerk. For all we know they could have been talking about the Berzerk, if that were the case.


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