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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:47 am 
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Agreed, why were there no patrols out in and beyond the interference field, hell they could rotate a Battlestar out there, but no, let's just sit everything in orbit, great plan.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:07 am 
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kfeltenberger wrote:

Again...physics.

First, nuclear weapons aren't that effective in a vacuum unless they have a contact hit, and even that is questionable. Why? There is *no atmosphere* for blast propagation. Without that, a nuke is a momentary, very hot, and radioactively energetic point of light. There is no material to turn into fallout or to irradiate. Galactica's hull is ~5m thick, even without the extra armor. The nukes were rather small, and even so, they're trying to use the equivalent of a fraction of a multi-thousand ton explosive detonation to move something that masses millions of *tons*. Yes, it could cause maneuvering issues, but it isn't the fist of an angry god you seem to equate it to.

Second, there was no way, short of a direct surface detonation, to impart the heat to the hull, and even if there was, it was momentary. Re-entry takes time, not seconds, not minutes, but tens of minutes. Again, physics.


Pretty sure that nuke hit was a casaba howitzer type detonation right to the hull.

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Third, Galactica pretty much wrecked herself when she rammed the Colony. They knew it was the last voyage and would be lucky if the ship was able to jump...none of them expected to return. The passage was radiation, completely different.


Because she was already suffering structural failings after decades of service with substandard structural components. Even still, she was still structurally intact after the final jump broke her back.


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Physics. The compensators might work for people *in* the ship, but hitting the ground at terminal velocity, even if it is the ocean, is...well...terminal.


Yet people have survived impacts at terminal velocity as well as objects. If Galactica has a large area/mass ratio it is entirely feasible that it terminal velocity is irrelevant, as the impact force is absorbed across a wide enough area to survive the hit. And even if it doesn't:

Consider the Colonials are a mature space faring civilization that builds multi-kilometer vessels that don't tear apart from their own acceleration and have control of gravity to make advanced alloys. They more than likely have a greater understanding of gravity than we do and considering they can give inertia the finger, its not surprising what their ships can take.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:37 am 
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kfeltenberger wrote:

Yeah...I have to agree with this despite how much I respect the character. When I heard him tell everyone to assemble at Ragnar, I thought that would setup the survivors to be easily hunted down and destroyed. They weren't, they had the writers on their side. Then, the battle of New Caprica...cinematically it was amazing. Tactically, it was flawed. And strategically it was beyond negligent. They already proved that they can do multiple jumps without direction and still form up together, so why weren't the fleet sent on a series of jumps while Galactica and Pegasus returned to take out the trash and rescue the population? Sad.


Uh, what else was he going to do? The Colonial Fleet got jumped and scattered, the Plan indicated through dialogue that several other fleets besides Pegasus escaped, though none had a battlestar. Galactica was decommissioned and had nothing to fight with and needed resupply.

Ragnar Anchorage was a safe harbor, the Cylons were reluctant to attack, the station itself was a mobile shipyard and had more Colonial Military and Civilian Ships had arrived, it is possible Adama might have been able to drag the place with him. And that would have made it the most valuable ship in the fleet had Adama had the time and resources to get it moving. It was also a convenient rally point to mass ships and make a coordinated counter-attack in strength.

Another thing to bear in mind: Adama doesn't have real time god mode information flow. He is a single guy looking at a dradis screen and reliant on his staff to update him on what is going on. The Cylon Surprise attack was so complete that Colonial Reporting Systems broke down. The Colonial Airforce wasn't able to get off the ground and provide cover. The Colonial Army didn't get time to roll out. Civilian Ships were told to halt traffic which made them sitting ducks.

The Rally at Ragnar enabled Adam to prep his ship for Combat, organize a convoy with armed civilian ships covering the unarmed ones and then flee. Unlike Cain, he didn't give in to revenge and go pirate.

As for New Caprica, complacency for which Lee was equally guilty and both share blame for how it all went down along with Baltar and indirectly Roslin who messed with the "One True God's plan," which tipped Gina over the edge.

Above all the entity calling itself God is to blame, by deliberately setting up humanity for Genocide as part of some experiment.


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