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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:04 pm 
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So here is the first ship from the Legends of Galactic Heroes series (i am sure some of you watch the series and know about this ship),

Its my first ship for the series, i hope il do more of them. Ship is completed fully, there is some things that should be corrected, i may do that, but for now i think it looks nice. The curves behind the bow are been royal pain in side and i may not make them right but as i said it looks good for now (at least to me).

Ship on the pic is the Ulysses, the flagship of Admiral Yang Wenli.

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Ship of this class were first launched in last years of 740's (space calendar). Those first ships were designated as GW-H1. Over the course of few decades around two hundred thousand of them were built(i personally do not believe that there were 200,000 ships built of this class. The whole Alliance fleet was not that big. But it is possible since Alliance was in war with Empire for 150 years, and it its possible that between 740's to 801 that many were built, i believe personally that around 20-50 thousand were built and that would be more realistically then 200k. )

Standard Alliance battleship (or simply call it Ulysses type) is 624 meters long(my scale is slightly off). It has crew of 660 officers and enlisted. Armament: 8x 20cm neutron beam cannons (nose or bow cannons), 22x 15cm electron beam cannons, 6x 12cm railguns, 12x multiple missile launchers, 22x lasers in single mounts, 10x dual mount lasers, 12x spartanian fighters (2x main fighter launcher bays).

Its smaller, more modular and faster then its Imperial counterpart. Due fact that both Alliance and Empire had highly advanced shipyards which were almost fully automated, they could built massive number of this ships in relative short time. Civilian experts believed that for every new ships of this class need between 4-8 months although they could be built in shorter time of 2-3 months if needed.

These class of ships served as backbone of Alliance heavy fleet and later Yang fleet. It is unknown if they remain in service after 801, but it is possibly that they did (even as irregulars, once again)
There is few subclasses that were created over the years, like carrier variant, heavy attack variant (Muffanese - possibly only one retrofited).


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:35 am 
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Considering there were walls of 10,000 ship in a small fleet and there were lots of fleets in this series (very long series)...yeah there were a lot of these ships built.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:30 am 
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I dont know i believe that bulk of Alliance fleets were destroyers and cruisers, however its quit possible that there were 200,000 of them built,

Free Planets Alliance - Standard cruiser (unofficially called Thanatos type) (not 100% accurate)

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Backbone of all Alliance fleets from 740's this small and agile warship was one of most numerous ships in Alliance fleet. It is 372 meters long, it has 393 officers and enlisted. Armament: 6x 12cm neutron beam cannons, 2x 4cm railguns, 8x multiple missile launchers, 3x spartanian fighters.

Built in massive numbers this warship served Alliance from at least 740's(space calendar) to the 801, it is unkown how many survived the war against Empire.



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Free Planets Alliance Standard destroyer

Smallest combat warp capable unit of the FPA, i do not know what is real name of this ship although there was few, i keep calling it standard alliance destroyer. Its not 100% accurate but it looks nice as it is.

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Backbone of the Alliance attack fleets. Smallest and most versatile ship in the fleet, also most numerous of all classes and types. They usually serve as battleship and flagship escorts, but were often used as scouts. Most common tactic is attacking in wolf squadrons. Alliance destroyer is 208m long (my variant is slightly longer, my mistake). It has crew of 164 officers and enlisted. Armament: 6x neutron beam cannon (foward-bow cannons), missile launchers and short range lasers. It cannot carry fighters and shuttles dock outside.

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Free Planets Alliance - Standard Carrier

Standard carrier that serve Alliance fleet during the last decades Imperial-Alliance war.

Unlike their Imperial counterpart which were larger but carried less fighters, Alliance carrier could carry up to hundred Spartanian fighter crafts. They were built on enlarged GW battleship frame which is heavily changed and in the end shaped into full fledged carrier.

Alliance carrier is 952 meters long and have around 1500 crew. Armament: It has eight battleship sized neutron cannons on its bow and multiple of smaller weapons for protection.

Due fact that is half open and do not have armor on its belly where the spartanians were launched from its usually on the rear of the fleet. Most of Alliance carriers were lost during the war with Empire, and from those that survived, most were scrapped due treaty of Baalat. Few survived and join Yang Wenli fleet. It is unknown if any still exist.

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Free Planets Alliance - Battleship Muffuese

Muffuese is modification of standard Alliance battleship (GW), intended as squadron leader. It is created to for specialized missions like breaking through enemy lines. Most noticeable modification is on its bow. Standard box shaped bow was replaced with hammerhead bow which house more cannons then standard battleship. However four of the eight long range neutron cannons that standard Alliance battleship have was remove to add additional weapons. This make smaller problems as different calibers have different range.

As designed for breakthrough missions, its defenses were boosted, it has stronger shields then standard battleships but armor was the same. Originally Alliance engineers want to add more front armor, however that would make serious problems, more armor means more mass and ship would lose his speed thus it was decided that only shields were to be upgraded, however some armor adjustments were added to the engine block.
Ship is 627 meters long and have 720 crew. Armament: Instead of eight long range neutron cannons that standard battleships have, Muffuese have only four of them located on lower part of the bow. Remaining fifteen guns were medium range beam cannons. Twelve located on hammers (six on each side) and three in the middle). There seventeen port and seventeen starboard cannons, multiple missile launchers and space for three to six Spartanian fighters (although Muffuese usually have only shuttles instead fighters).

Muffuese was experiment, to create better and stronger variant of already proven GW battleship but instead of mass production it was intend to be only as squadron leader ship. While Muffuese firepower was almost double of standard battleship and its forward shields equal in strength to that of Ajax class battleship, it was expensive and rather unfit for longer engagements. Due larger energy demand ship had more energy reactors to power the main weapons however in the end it was shown that although with great firepower and excellent protection, Muffuese suffer from many problems and it has shorter endurance then standard battleships.

Muffuese was the only ship that was constructed although few more was considered. Commodore Marino was commanding officer of this ship. Muffuese survived the battle of Vermilion and later battle of the Coridor and Shiva. It is unknown what happen to this ship but it is quit possible that it is still active with "Irregulars"

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Free Planets Alliance Battleship Hyperion.

Probably one of most known battleships in LOGH universe and royal pain in side for Reinhard von Lohengramm, Hyperion was the flagship of brilliant tactician Yang Wenli.

It was given to Yang Wenli after battle of Astarte. Hyperion was flagship of 13th fleet, later called Irregulars or Yang fleet. Ship saw lots of combat during its active service. After battle of Vermilion it was given to high admiral Merkatz who use it as his own flagship and slowly gathering Alliance forces again. Yang Wenli transfer his flag to battleship Ulysses and Merkatz remain in command of Hyperion. At the battle of Shiva, Hyperion is heavily damaged(possibly destroyed) and admiral Merkatz was killed. It is unknown if ship really survived or not.

Ship is 911 meters long and have 915 officers and enlisted. Armament: 32x forward neutron beams, 80x (40 on each side) cannons, multiple missile launchers, 24 spartanian fighters.

Together with Brunhild, Hyperion is one of two ships never been boarded or damaged in battle, both ships however were damaged (and Brunhild was boarded) during the final battle of the series, battle of Shiva.

(its not fully accurate, but it looks good enough).

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:12 pm 
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What are these from?

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Legend of the Galactic Heroes. A anime based on a series of novels written in the 1980s. The anime is 110 episodes long, plus side stories. Telling about a galactic war between two huge human powers that have long since left Earth behind. There are no aliens in the galaxy that I recall in the series. It is partly military, partly political, partly personal tales of people involved in the ongoing wars.


The battle fleets are walls of these ships, 10,000 or more strong per fleet detachment.

And example (I don't even know what episode this is from)
Battle of Marr-Ardetta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhq2U5jtAi0


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:40 pm 
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https://gineipaedia.com/wiki/Portal:Main
you can check this page kurt, there is everything about LOGH
and of course if you have time watch the series, it really is space opera(even better opera then SW)

Free Planets Alliance - Battleship Diomedes

Diomedes belongs to Ajax class (late Ajax) battleships. It was one of (if not the last) flagships constructed by Free Planets Alliance. It become flagship of newly formed 15th fleet, under command of vice admiral Ralph Carlsen.
Ship's first battle was Rantemario in 799UC. Although 15th fleet suffer heavy losses, Diomedes survived and together with 15th fleet remnants join Yang fleet. It later participates in battle of Vermilion.

Despite that after battle of Vermilion Diomedes and other battleships of Alliance were to be scrapped, new hostility between what was left of Alliance and Empire starts. Once again she was commanded by vice admiral Carlsen. Diomedes and Rio Grande (last two large flagships in the Alliance fleet) lead Alliance fleet in battle against Empire at Mar-Adetta system. Admiral Carlsen lead detachment of ships in attempt of breaking the Imperial lines and destroy the Imperial supreme battleship Brunhild, however it failed. Fleet Admiral Bewcock order surviving ships to withdraw (some 4000 escape and were ordered by admiral Bewcock to join Yang fleet) Remaining ships that refuse to leave together with Diomede remains. During attempt to hold the Imperial fleet, now damaged and without energy Diomedes was finally destroyed, killing probably all of her crew as well her commander vice admiral Carlsen. Fleet admiral Bewcock ship Rio Grande was destroyed shortly after.

Diomedes is 1159 meters long, it had 1195 crew. It had forty neutron beam cannons (on front,) and over thirty on each side smaller caliber weapons and multiple missile launchers. It could also carry up to 20 Spartanians.

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Free Planets Alliance - Battleship Achilles

Achilles belongs to Ajax class battleship(flagships). It was constructed in 794 UC. Achilles participate in battle of Astarte, it survived the battle although heavily damaged. It become flagship of 14th fleet in 1th October 797 UC, commanded by vice admiral Lionel Morton.

In 799 it fought at battle of Rantemario, despite that 14th fleet suffer heavy losses, Achilles manage to survive. However it was destroyed during the late part of battle of Vermilion when Muller fleet arrived. Vice admiral Morton and most (if not all) of the crew were killed after Achilles was destroyed.

As been later built Ajax class it features more or less the same armament like its sister ship Diomede.

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Free Planets Alliance Battleship Ajax

First of the Ajax class command battleships (or simply flagships). It was launched in 775 UC. Ajax was designed as replacement for older types of flagships that were in service at the time. Large, more durable and powerful then predecessors. Ajax serve as flagship of the Alliance from 782 to 797, after retirement of the fleet admiral Lobos, Rio Grande become flagship of the Alliance fleet. Ajax remain in service but was badly damaged during battle of Amritsar, it is not known what happen to the ship and who command it after it. It was not reported destroyed in combat nor it surrendered to Empire. It is possible that ship is still active in Yang fleet (irregulars again).

(Ship carry similar armament like the Diomedes, so i wont add it again, lenght and crew size are the same.).

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In my story that i currently write, Ajax is one of ship still active in 805 UC with Rebel fleet (lead by the fleet admiral Attemborough).

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Thanks! I'll check out the links. From a few moments of the YT video, it has a very Continental "Age of Empires" look to it.

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Its very good anime, i dont even call it anime, simply space opera as it is. There plenty of good space battles, plots, things you wont even expect, it is very nicely wrote d and created. I dare to say even better in some way then Star Wars.
But its simple concept you have two super powers, one Democracy (although rotten and corrupted) and you have Autocratic -despotic Empire, Empire is modeled after Feudal Germany or simply central Europe from 1700-1900, only with lots o modern tech mixed with old stuff.


Free Planets Alliance - Battleship Perun

Perun was launched in 785 UC, in the same year it become the flagship of then new 12th fleet. Although Perun belongs to Ajax class battleships it receive some modifications during construction. Prove was enlarged and merged to mid section as the main bow weapons needed more internal space due larger caliber. Perun was designed for long range engagement but with all secondary weapons it was quit capable of engaging enemy at closer ranges. Due fact that new 12th fleet focus on firepower it was natural that its flagship will focus on firepower and long range capabilities to.

Perun's first real combat was in 794 UC in Van-Fleet starzone(star system). From 793 to 796 it was commanded by vice admiral Borodin. In 796 Alliance started unwise and foolish invasion of Empire. If the Invasion was planned well and if admiral Yang Wenli commanded the campaign, Alliance would probably be successful in taking part of Imperial territory. But leaded by incompetent politicians and fleet officers who blindly follow government orders, the entire campaign end in disaster. Without knowledge Alliance fleets enter into trap set by admiral Lohengramm. 12th fleet find itself in battle against Lutz fleet, without supplies 12th fleet couldn't fight properly and in the end only Perun and serveral ships survived.

Vice admiral Borodin shot himself and rear admiral Connally took command and surrender. It is unknown what happen to the Perun at that moment. Although ship was towed back to Odin.

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Free Planets Alliance - Battleship Patoroklos

Patoroklos belongs to Ajax class, it was flagship of 2th Fleet under command of vice admiral Paetta. In 795 UC it narrowly escape destruction near gas giant Legnica. Year later it was heavily damaged during battle of Astarte and Paetta was badly injured, forcing (then) commodore Yang Wenli to take command.

Patoroklos later become part of 13th fleet and engage rebell Alliance forces (11th fleet) in the Doria system. It is presumed that ship survived the war with Empire. Ship probably end with Yang fleet. However it didn't participate in battle of Vermilion or later battles, probably guarding the Iserlohn fortress. It is unclear if this ship is still active or scrapped.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:10 pm 
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One thing I noticed from the video is that while the ship designs reflected how they engaged the enemy (straight on, so they had long and thin profiles), there wasn't much logic involved beyond that. One or two hits destroyed most ships, yet each ship mounted dozens of forward facing weapons (and carried a crew of equal proportions). Based on the mechanics shown, the ships should have evolved to be smaller, more agile, and mounting perhaps half a dozen weapons for a reasonable balance of hit probability/kill probability while giving more targets to the enemy.

But that's just me...I'm the guy that likes to swarm people in TCS (Trillion Credit Squadron) with a bunch of Meson-J spinal armed riders. :-)

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This is a series were trillions dead is but a statistic of a minor campaign.


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Unfortunately lives of a commoner or simply low ranking solders not really matters in this series, you have massive space battles with thousands of ships and millions of solders, but nevertheless that what made this as tragic space opera.


Free Planets Alliance - Battleship Leonidas

Leonidas was flagship of the 4th fleet. It was constructed in 786 UC and was incorporated into 5th frontier starzone squadron flagship. Year later it become flagship of the 4th fleet. In 796 it lead 4th fleet in battle of Astarte in which it was destroyed. Its commander at the time was vice admiral Pastolle who died at the battle of Astarte as most of its crew.

Leonidas belongs to Ajax class battleships as that it has more or less the same armament and equipment like other of its class. Prior to battle of Astarte it receive modifications like improved hangar bay, changes to its bow weapons which with modification received more space for weapon systems.

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Free Planets Alliance - Battleship Leonidas II

After destruction of Leonidas at Astarte. Second ship was built and named Leonidas II. The successor to destroyed ship is almost same in appearance. Leonidas II is constructed in late 796 and become the flagship of 11th fleet.

During the civil war Leonidas II and 11th fleet sided with National Salvation Military Council. When Yang fleet start retaking and liberating planets and systems from the NSMC, 11th fleet was sent to intercept and destroy Yang's fleet. In battle of Doria 11th fleet was obliterated, Leonidas II was badly damaged and its commanding officer vice admiral Legrange shot himself. Leonidas II was reduced to twisted wreck, and crew that survived surrender. Since ship sustain such damage that it couldn't be repaired it was left behind.

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Free Planets Alliance - Battleship Cu Chulainn/Ku-Horin

Cu Chulainn belongs to Ajax class battleship but it was built around experimental upgrades and modifications (battleship Perun is build on Cu Chulainn frame however heavier and stronger then Cu). It was constructed in 782 UC, and its modifications were mostly concentrated on its maneuverability and speed. Cu have less bow cannons then other Ajax class ships, less armor but was faster and required 20% less time to turn 180 degree.

Unfortunately it is this modifications ultimately lead to this ship demise. After invasion of Empire space, Cu Chulainn and third fleet were attacked by Wahlen fleet near planet Lesing. In chaotic situation that follows, without supplies 3th fleet couldn't have 100% of combat reediness, resulting in decimation of 3th fleet. A standard GW battleship, escort of this flagship was critically damaged and lose control, ship ram the Cu Chulainn and force of hit send it into small planetoid destroying it, killing its commander vice admiral Lefebvre and entire crew. Because of sturdy design of Ajax class which was designed in that way that can survive accidental ramming by damaged ships and not allowing damaged ship that rams the Ajax flagships to push them away, this entire modification was seen as major failure. Remaining ships of the 3th fleet either run away (if succeed breaking the blockade) or simply surrendered.
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Zagoreni, I never saw legend of galactic heroes, is it new, I will have to check it out, love the ships, nice shading


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New, nope, its old, it aired from 1988 to 1997, main series have 110 episodes plus additional side stories, as ithekero explains , its set in 36th century where a 150 year old war raging between two super powers, Democratic Free Planets Alliance and autocratic-despotic Galactic Empire (yes it share names with SW empire) which resemble feudal central europe, in majority Germany from 1700-1900
Space opera that is how i would call it, you can find lots about it here:
https://gineipaedia.com/wiki/Portal:Main

there is lots of ships, technology, tons of stuff here,

Free Planets Alliance - Battleship Rio Grande

Rio grande is constructed in 793 UC. It is considered as later variant of the Ajax class battleships. Battleships Achilles and Diomedes share its appearance as those two ships were constructed one year later. Rio Grande saw lots of battles during its seven year of active service. It become flagship of the 5th fleet shortly after finished and first battle where it participates was Battle of Van-Fleet starzone. It participates in Third battle of Tiamat. It was part of reinforcements during the later part of Fourth battle of Tiamat but didn't directly engage Imperial forces.

In 796 UC Rio Grande participate in invasion of Imperial territory. Fifth fleet was engaged by Reuenthal fleet and was forced to withdraw. On the way back to Iserlohn 5th fleet was briefly attacked by Lohengramm forces but again 5th fleet manage to escape. In 799 UC Rio Grande's commander Bewcock was promoted to rank of Fleet admiral and thus commanding officer of all Alliance forces. Bewcock and the fifth fleet and other Alliance fought in battle of Rantemario where Alliance suffer heavy losses but was saved by Yang's fleet.

Rio Grande was to be scrapped as part of Treaty of Ba'alat but before it could be new hostilities between Alliance and Empire started. Fleet admiral Bewcock once again took command of Rio grande and Rio Grande acting as supreme flagship of Alliance forces lead remaining forces into battle against the empire. Five thousand ships were send to Yang to booster his strength and rest of the fleet some 20,000 ships face Imperial force of 100,000 ships. Despite fleet admiral (at the time) Lohengramm brilliance, the old admiral was not to be thrown away so easily. He manage to stall Imperial forces enough and causing heavy damage to Imperial fleet. Around twenty thousand Imperial ships were lost during the battle but alliance lost sixteen thousand from twenty. Fleet admiral Bewcock order all surviving ships to withdraw and join Yang's fleet, some four thousand ships withdraw from the combat and escape, wh ile several dozen ships remain including the another Ajax class battleship the Diomedes. Diomedes was destroyed shortly before Imperial forces stop firing and Lohengramm itself offer to spare remaining ships crew and fleet admiral itself. But old solder like Bewcock didn't intend to wait his days in bed, congratulate Lohengramm and toast and politely refused surrender. In the end Rio Grande and rest of the ships that stayed were destroyed and fleet admiral died.

Fleet admiral Lohengramm ordered all Imperial forces to salute the old admiral and his troops as they pass near destroyed Alliance ships. With destruction of Rio Grande, Ulysses become the supreme flagship of the remaining Republic (Alliance) forces under Yang Wenli.

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Free Planets Alliance - Battleship Pergamonn (both variants)

Pergamonn is second Ajax constructed, shortly after Ajax itself was completed, however due some technical problems it is not before 783 UC that this ship is actually completed. Shortly after completion Pergamonn was assigned as flagship of 6th fleet. Its first battle was battle of Astarte under command of vice admiral Moore. During the battle of Astarte 6th fleet suffer heavy losses due admiral's Moore incompetence. Surrounded by Lohengramm fleet, Moore instead of surrendering chose death. Shortly after refusing to surrender, Pergammon and any ship that failed escape was destroyed.

There is two variants of this ship. The upper is original while second one is modification (upper is one seen in first episode, or battle of astarte, while second is from the movie).

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Free Planets Alliance - Battleship Quetzalcoatl

One of first Ajax class battleships (third constructed) it was launched in 783 UC. Quetzalcoatl was built with long range engagement in mind. It has modifications on bow section which allows the cannons to fire farther then other ships, the only other battleship that beat it in long range was Charlemagne.
Ship become flagship of 7th fleet. Quetzalcoatl participate in invasion of Imperial territory in 796 UC and was later engaged by Kircheis fleet. Low on supplies and unable to continue fighting vice admiral Hawood (commanding officer of the fleet) surrenders and Quetzalcoatl end in imperial hands.

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