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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:54 pm 
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No. Antiope is a separate class and was the last ship that Canis was working on before he passed in 2015. The ship wasn't completed until last year when Mia took the basic design and notes and completed it for me. The reason it was probably not on the chart is because I did the chart about the time I wrote chapter 40 and since it wasn't completed I didn't put it on.

Yes; Antiope, Deo Vindice, and Deo's escorts are missing, as are two of the mobile docks. I really need to go back and revise that chart!


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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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Hey Boss, do we have a picture of the Earth Union GS Angelos?

Wishing everyone a happy 4th of July...


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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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Kurt, the sanctuary cove is superb, bravo - I am also planning some vessels utilising the domes in various guises - by the way EMSpier welcome and thanks for contributing to a great thread


Thank you! It was one of those designs that I knew I wanted, and even visited as far back as when Canis drew the mobile dock that would be transported by a Proteus and finally the design just finalized in my mind.

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Hey Boss, do we have a picture of the Earth Union GS Angelos?

Wishing everyone a happy 4th of July...


Angelos is an A-class gunstar.

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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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Ivanho wrote:
Kurt, the sanctuary cove is superb, bravo - I am also planning some vessels utilising the domes in various guises - by the way EMSpier welcome and thanks for contributing to a great thread


Thank you Sir.


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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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The Earth Union Fleet wanted to take their training to a higher level and at the same time make sure that new recruits and officers being sent to their first duty postings were as capable, competent, and experienced as possible. After a lengthy study to create some baselines and metrics on what they wanted to accomplish, a RFP was issued for what would eventually become the Lyceum class training ships.

Several designs were put forth, but the winning design from Aeolus Lines in-house naval architects was chosen as the preferred design. Aeolus Lines leveraged elements from its highly successful Longstrider class transports with a completely new central hull and the use of the popular E-class gunstar's engines. The base ship proved to be extremely adaptable and examples being used as cargo transports have been operated by several lines including the Fleet Auxiliary.

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The first version introduced to Fleet service was the Block 1. Lyceum, the name ship of the class, was completed as a spaceborne flight school to shepherd new pilots from basic flight training all the way to advanced space and air based combat, ground attack, and support roles.

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The Block 2, of which College is an example, changed the single deck pods for the new double deck pods that were becoming preferred. While the single deck design trained a lot of pilots, and was quite successful at it, the Fleet wanted the training to reflect the potential duty station as much as possible, and so the twin deck design was introduced to service.

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The Block 3, of which University is an example, added quarters, observation, and classroom decks fore and aft on the flight pods in much the same way the Flower class transports had them. This minor change provided just enough more internal space that Midshipment and Cadets would often be assigned for their "Summer Cruise" and for their final year at the Academy if they were on the flight track.

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The Block 4, of which Guild Hall is an example, was a modified Block 3 that was configured to train personnel on gunnery and guided weapons as well as the routine flight training. Despite the appearance of a battlestar, with guns, missiles, and defensive weapons, the Lyceum class, of any block, was not a front line warship and lacked the heavy protective armor that gunstars and battlestars enjoyed.

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Only one Block 5 design was completed, and as soon as the improved Block 6's came online it was quickly decommissioned and sold as surplus. The design was an attempt to provide Ziz and other large craft pilots a chance to practice in much the same way their smaller craft pilot comrades did as well as provide personnel being trained for replenishmentstars (ship handlers and boom operators) a platform to practice "booming up" . The top of the hull was reinforced and marked as if it was an assaultstar flight deck, with a large observation complex built off the ship's head so that instructors could watch the students' approaches. The instructors loved it...when they were watching from the observation galleries. However, those instructors and pilots who were making the approach, didn't like flying toward what was, essentially, an immovable object. This disorientation provided the push to develop the Block 6.

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The Block 6, of which Polytechnic is an example, introduced the common assaultstar flight deck "wings" and since they were the same structures used on the Block 3 Carme, they came with a boom so the entire syllabus that the Block 5 was intended to teach was readily converted to the Block 6. This provided a nice bonus in that the wings better simulated where the booms were located on the current crop of replenishmentstars.

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The Block 7 was a modified Block 6 and added the two domes that had been present on the Block 1, 2, 3, and 4 ships and hosted 4th year cadets and Midshipmen for their final year of education. Several Block 7s, of which Semper Discentes operated by Walden University of El Dorado is an example, are charted to various universities under the auspices of the Admiralty and the Department of Education. They are used as research ships and often deploy to one location per semester for in-depth study and analysis.

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I added the base frame in case anyone wanted to use the ship and didn't want to go through the hassle of hacking off the parts they didn't want.

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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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Very nice Kurt.

Was the concept based in the real world on the US training carriers in the Great Lakes during WWII?


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In part, but also on the various training carriers we've had since then and the other "school" ships and scientific research ships that have been operated over the years.

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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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Nicely done Kurt, as you know I’m a big fan of evolution over revolution, as in my own saga I like the adaptability and reusability of craft especially when budget and raw materials are an issue.

I see these craft as having many uses as auxiliary craft in the field offering support to the capital ships, another great addition and back story, well done sir.


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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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Thanks, Ivan!

I can see them being used for a variety of missions over and above those involved with training or education. They would make a good survey cruiser, expedition ship, or even serve as a customs station, among others.

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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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I very much like the design Kurt, and the backstory. The Lady H universe is a wonderfully thriving place. And thank you posting the bare hull version!

But I have a few minor critiques.

I'm not a fan of the mixed detail styling, especially the black paneling on the 'head' and 'engineering' blocks compared to the gray paneling on the body. Its a bit jarring and makes it look rushed.

Also, the angle formed where the body and 'head' meet doesn't seem to line up from top to side view. In the top view the angle goes to the head joint, but the side view has it starting a few meters aft of the head joint.

Just a few points to help you out. I'm still looking forward to what else you have coming out.


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It is a given that every nation has secrets. Some of those secrets are more disruptive than others, but still, one and all are "secrets". The Earth Union Admiralty liked what they saw from the feedback from the Arachne class scouts, until someone asked, "can we do more with the technology?" The answer was, in the words of Admiral Summervale, "The biggest bloody nightmare I've ever seen!" And indeed, if loaded to its full potential, it was.

The Block 8 Lyceum was 100% warship and only shared a similar shape and engineering with her sisters, but rather than carry classrooms, science labs, or other tools of learning, the "Angles of Death" carried missiles. Their standard compliment was 252 Ragnarok drones. One ship carried enough ordnance to return the Earth Union to the stone age. Three ships were built, Dabria, Persofoni, and Libitina, hull numbers 101, 102, and 103 respectively. The ships were never officially acknowledged and their existence was denied at all levels of government and the Admiralty. Whether they actually exist or not is unknown, but there is a "Block 8" listed in the design package, though the notes indicate that it was a theoretical design and deemed a failure for several, unlisted, reasons.

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What is known for sure is that there is a Block 9 and she has, on paper, the very potential that the Block 8s are rumored to possess; that is, she carries 252 remote drones. However, these drones are configured for survey, research, and other scientific tasks that require a lot of sensors or would require a ship to visit numerous locations in a system during the survey. The typical operational profile of the Block 9, of which Polymatheia is an example, is to jump into a system, launch several drones for each planet or large moon and launch several drones to survey the system's star (or stars). Spare drones are on hand so that the ship may visit several systems on a "round robin" rotation and deploy drones to each, returning regularly to download the data collected. The large wings contain the spaces that were displaced by the VLS tubes for the drones as well as two landing bays where small craft are operated as well as where the drones may be recovered, reconditioned, and returned to its launch tube.

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Again, no one is confirming that the Block 9A exists, but it would make sense given the massive intelligence gathering potential that the Block 9 offers. This ship would have an anechoic coating to reduce its dradis signature, and while it is not believed that they would carry Ragnarok drones, the potential can not be overlooked.

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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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TurboCoupeTurbo wrote:
I very much like the design Kurt, and the backstory. The Lady H universe is a wonderfully thriving place. And thank you posting the bare hull version!

But I have a few minor critiques.

I'm not a fan of the mixed detail styling, especially the black paneling on the 'head' and 'engineering' blocks compared to the gray paneling on the body. Its a bit jarring and makes it look rushed.

Also, the angle formed where the body and 'head' meet doesn't seem to line up from top to side view. In the top view the angle goes to the head joint, but the side view has it starting a few meters aft of the head joint.

Just a few points to help you out. I'm still looking forward to what else you have coming out.


Thanks! I really suck at doing the angles! Eventually I'll change the panel lines, it was something that after recoloring it, messing something up, starting over, etc., I just wanted to get them done.

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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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I understand that completely.


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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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The Block 1. Lyceum reminds me of the Searcher ship from Buck Rogers season 2.


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