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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:18 pm 
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Thanks Kurt

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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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Glad to help! I have some more coming along.

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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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Some more Earth Union ships. Whether they'll make an appearance is unclear, but they do help (for me, at least) fill in some holes and add some color and chrome to the "world".

When the Union design was selected as the new mobile seat of government, an escort group was developed for her. Enodia, a Dynamene Block 5, was selected to lead the escort force. She combined speed, firepower, a good sized air wing, and pleasing aesthetics. Rather than assign an A-Class gunstar as the lead gunstar, the decision was made to utilize Budia, a widened E-Class that while offering adequate firepower, carried a battlestar level missile battery and should they be warranted, could utilize wing hard points. Rounding out the escort force were two E-class gunstars, Eos being one example.

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Developed after the E-Class was already in series production, the Lybie class battlestar and Budeia class gunstar were modifications of the basic E-Class hull and extended the body all the way to the stern, rather than pinching it in ahead of the wings. On Budeia, the larger internal volume was used to expand the magazines and add an additional two banks of missile tubes, but the remainder was largely left open. This open space allowed modular units to be installed that allowed the ship to be tailored to a specific mission should it be necessary. Most of the time, this open space was used for cargo (something the crews didn't appreciate as they were a gunstar, not a transport) or Marine barracks. The ship was a good size for independent operations in contested systems or for picket duty along the borders of the Earth Union.

The Lybie class battlestar shared the weapons additions and modularity that her half sister, Budeia, offered, but rather than wings and gun pods, she added flight pods. The first reports from crews were extremely positive, with the fight officers loving the spacious flight decks and hangars, and the ship's operational crew enjoying the extra space that the ship offered. However, there were some unofficial reports that talk about the ship's ghosts. During an early training evolution, a mechanical failure caused a Roc to crash during final approach, killing the crew of three and four Marines. Ever since, there have been reports of strange things happening aboard. One avionics specialist was working on a Roc's dradis and asked someone to hand him a diagnostic tablet. He felt it put in his hand, and when he looked up he claims he saw a ghostly image of a flight suited woman give him a nod and then fading away. The ship's Marines, likewise, have reported numerous encounters with the ghosts, often when an inspection is scheduled. Somehow, things that were overlooked seem to be taken care of. No one is complaining, and the ship's Chaplain has made sure that everyone pays respect to the shrine honoring all the departed members of the crew.

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(This last ship was one that Mia proposed and did most of the work on, I did some mods on the basic hull, then added wider pods and the external flight decks)

The competition that would result in the Tisiphone (Nemesis) class battlestar had a casualty that proved rather useful as a "losing entry". The Polynices, on paper, looked good; she used several of the same engines used on the new E-Class gunstar (which were fine for cruising, but lacked thrust for evasive combat maneuvers), had flight pods, good arcs for her guns, and adequate internal volume. Unfortunately, the Tisiphone class beat her every key performance metric used by the Admiralty to evaluate the design. After the competition, Polynices was relegated to the task of "anchorage queen"; she was used and modified to test new systems, concepts, theoretical ideas, and in general, was passed around from bureau to bureau whenever there was a need for a hull to use.

One of the most visible modifications done to her was the external flight decks outboard of each flight pod. Each deck could support one Ziz lander and through a hangar door it could be towed inside for storage. This was done to validate whether the big landers could operate off a battlestar and if not, what size lander should be developed. Shortly after trials began, the decision was made to expand the pod so that a dedicated pressurized hangar inboard of the flight pod and extending to the ship's elevated spine was added. This improved operations dramatically and proved that with the proper planning and resources, a battlestar could operate a Ziz lander. There were rumors that these would be a new, heavily armed version of the design, but there is no proof one way or the other on that.

After the lander trials, Polynices was at Vanguard Anchorage on the outer edge of the Earth system undergoing a complete refit as the Admiralty was generally happy with the upgrades and wanted to give her a year or two in the Fleet to further refine and develop doctrine. Shortly before she was to be handed over, an Erisian cell activated and under the guise of taking her for a trial cruise, hijacked and absconded with what would become the Erisian's only known battlestar.

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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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Awesome job with the new ships


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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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Thanks! One big difference between the Colonial/Communion fleets and the Earth Union is that where the Colonials/Communion did a lot of new designs, the Earth Union did a lot of iterative improvements on known working designs.

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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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It's really good to see these posted. Mia spent so much time drawing the Lybie, Budeia and Polynices i thought she was cheating on me with ships, lol!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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This evening I was watching a video by The History Guy about the Makin Island Raid and the Marine Raider Battalions. He mentioned that one battalion focused on operating from the "new" APD class ships, old four stack "flush deck" destroyers converted into fast attack transports that carried several landing craft. That got me to thinking...

In the decade prior to the Exodus, the Earth Union Fleet was in the midst of a major modernization and expansion phase. With the new E-Class ships coming on line, this left a lot of the older Efreet class ships surplus to current needs. Some were sold off to planetary navies, transferred to the Union Guard, demilitarized and sold to civilian concerns, or simply placed into reserve. Some, also, were converted into what Commander Rodney Selous called "assault gunstars". These added large wing-like sponsons that extended from the head, over the wings, and almost to the end of the hull. Inside each sponson were three hangars for a Ziz transport, barracks for Marines, a hospital, vehicle garages, stores, and training spaces. Selous' concept was that these weren't going to replace or even supplement purpose built assaultstars, but rather be used for raids performed by specially trained Marines. They weren't intended to seize and hold ground, but to show up unexpectedly, launch a raid, provide necessary supporting fire, and then recover the landers and depart once the raid was over.

The ships, once they reached the Fleet, were well liked by those who served on them and both Marines and crews seemed to have a higher moral and elan due to their mission profiles; they were the sharp end of the spear and they embraced that designation proudly. Each ship and attached Marine battalion soon had their own culture, customs, superstitions, and traditions that ranged from the odd to the bizarre. The Admiralty looked the other way because it boosted morale and the ships/crews/Marines preformed beyond all expectations.

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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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This evening I was watching a video by The History Guy about the Makin Island Raid and the Marine Raider Battalions. He mentioned that one battalion focused on operating from the "new" APD class ships, old four stack "flush deck" destroyers converted into fast attack transports that carried several landing craft. That got me to thinking...

In the decade prior to the Exodus, the Earth Union Fleet was in the midst of a major modernization and expansion phase. With the new E-Class ships coming on line, this left a lot of the older Efreet class ships surplus to current needs. Some were sold off to planetary navies, transferred to the Union Guard, demilitarized and sold to civilian concerns, or simply placed into reserve. Some, also, were converted into what Commander Rodney Selous called "assault gunstars". These added large wing-like sponsons that extended from the head, over the wings, and almost to the end of the hull. Inside each sponson were three hangars for a Ziz transport, barracks for Marines, a hospital, vehicle garages, stores, and training spaces. Selous' concept was that these weren't going to replace or even supplement purpose built assaultstars, but rather be used for raids performed by specially trained Marines. They weren't intended to seize and hold ground, but to show up unexpectedly, launch a raid, provide necessary supporting fire, and then recover the landers and depart once the raid was over.

The ships, once they reached the Fleet, were well liked by those who served on them and both Marines and crews seemed to have a higher moral and elan due to their mission profiles; they were the sharp end of the spear and they embraced that designation proudly. Each ship and attached Marine battalion soon had their own culture, customs, superstitions, and traditions that ranged from the odd to the bizarre. The Admiralty looked the other way because it boosted morale and the ships/crews/Marines preformed beyond all expectations.

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For some reason I like this.


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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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Thanks! I was surprised how quickly I did the mod and how well it turned out.

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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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I like it too. Though, I think you should lose the wings during the rebuild. Make it part of the 'tradeoff' for the modifications in that she isn't as heavily armed as her gunstar former self. Kind of like how the APD conversions had fewer guns and torpedoes than their uncoverted sisters.

Another 'tradeoff' to the design could be launching and recovering the Ziz landers. It looks like they are deployed out of the sides of the ship without a lot of extra clearance fore/aft and top/bottom? I bet the pilots would hate that. If so, that makes a good drawback that parallels the APD concept a little more.

And all the extra mass should probably make them slower. APDs lost half their boilers and were a lot slower than the fleet DDs.

Finally, it seems like Earth Union crews love any ship that they serve on. While that isn't necessary a bad thing, it doesn't really seem likely. Especially for converted ships like these. Just my opinion; having little negatives here and there would help make things seem more real.


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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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Thanks for the feedback on the Argonaut. I've developed a Block 2 and Block 3. The Block 2 removes the wings while the Block 3 adds a transverse landing bay, some fighter launch tubes to support one squadron of 20 fighters, and two hardpoints from heavy drones. Looking at all three, I much prefer the version without wings, and while I like the idea of organic fighter support, launching is going to be something that has to be carefully coordinated.

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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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Agreed, the block 2 definitely has the feel of an APD.


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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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One quick note on the "heavy drones" that I mentioned. These are large FTL capable airframes that are either purpose built into a configuration or cargo haulers. Normally, they're autonomous, but there is the capability of manned control, especially for the hospital and covert landing versions. The Block 3 was given two hardpoints, each capable of carrying one heavy drone, though in practice they often operated without them as their missions usually weren't envisioned to need dedicated groundside barracks, hospital, or other specialized capability.

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 Post subject: Re: Battlestar Hecate
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During the 2nd Cylon War, two proposals were put forth to modify recovered Earth Union capital ships into more capable and protected designs. The Enyo class assultstar was evolved into the the Chione class and the Isis class battlestar into the Hesione class. The components were already in use and offered a degree of familiarity that was expected to aid in transition training.

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